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The Ezra Klein Show

Opinion Roundtable: Behind America’s Public School Battles

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2022

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Today we’re bringing you a special episode from New York Times Opinion: a roundtable, hosted by Lulu Garcia-Navarro, about how parents view the role of school. America’s schools have emerged as a battleground for the country’s most fervent cultural disagreements, and in many places, parents are finding themselves on the front lines. Three parents of public school students joined Lulu Garcia-Navarro to discuss the big questions underlying the new era of parental activism. Letha Muhammad is a mother of three in Raleigh, N.C., and serves as the executive director of the nonprofit Education Justice Alliance, which works to dismantle the school-to-prison and school-to-deportation pipelines. Tom Chavez of Elmhurst, Ill., is a father of three who co-founded the group Elmhurst Parents for Integrity in Curriculum, which seeks to remove ideological agendas from the classroom. Siva Raj lives in San Francisco with his two sons and co-founded the group SF Guardians, which led the drive to recall three of the city’s school board members this year. This episode was produced as part of a special series from New York Times Opinion exploring the purpose of K-12 education. This Times Opinion roundtable was produced by Lulu Garcia-Navarro, Phoebe Lett, Kristin Lin, Derek Arthur and Cassady Rosenblum, with help from Shannon Busta, Olivia Natt, Aaron Retica, Eleanor Barkhorn, Alison Bruzek and Anabel Bacon. Original music and mixing by Isaac Jones. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Michelle Harris. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From New York Times' opinion, I'm Lulugar Sienovaro.

0:08.8

New York Times' opinion is exploring the question, what is school for?

0:14.5

For parents, the answer to that question may have changed a lot over the past few years.

0:19.2

In the era of COVID shutdowns, virtual schooling and social movements, school has become a

0:25.0

battleground where many of America's most fervent cultural disagreements are taking place.

0:30.4

But we want to get out of the weeds and hear about how parents think about the big questions

0:36.5

underlying these debates.

0:38.7

Joining me now are three parents of public school students.

0:42.0

Each of them have thought deeply about the function and purpose of school in their kids'

0:46.8

lives and in their community.

0:49.7

Liza Muhammad is a mother of three who lives in Raleigh, North Carolina.

0:53.7

She is the executive director of the Education Justice Alliance.

0:57.8

That's a nonprofit that works with students of color and their families.

1:01.1

Hi, Liza.

1:02.1

Hey, hey.

1:03.1

Tom Chavez lives in Elmhurst, Illinois and is a father of three.

1:07.4

He co-founded the group Elmhurst Parents for Integrity and Curriculum, also known as

1:11.4

EPIC, that wants to, quote, reclaim our schools from activists imposing harmful ideological

1:16.4

agendas and end compulsory indoctrination in grievance-based concepts.

1:21.1

Welcome, Tom.

1:22.1

Thank you.

1:23.1

And Shiva Raj lives in San Francisco, California with his two sons.

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