OpenAI whistleblower Daniel Kokotajlo on superintelligence and existential risk of AI

GZERO World with Ian Bremmer

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🗓️ 17 May 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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How much could our relationship with technology change by 2027? Tech experts are ringing alarm bells that powerful new AI systems that rival human intelligence are being developed faster than regulation, or even our understanding, can keep up with. Should we be worried? On the GZERO World Podcast, Ian Bremmer is joined by Daniel Kokotajlo, a former OpenAI researcher and executive director of the AI Futures Project, to discuss AI 2027.

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to the GZero World Podcast.
0:05.0	This is where you'll find extended versions of my interviews on public television.
0:09.0	I'm Ian Bremmer and today.
0:10.7	Imagine it's 2027, two years away.
0:14.7	Artificial intelligence systems are wreaking havoc on the global order.
0:18.8	China and the U.S. are locked in an AI arms race.
0:22.1	Engineers warn their AI models are starting to go rogue. This isn't science fiction.
0:27.8	It's a scenario described in AI 2027, a new report that tries to envision AI's progression over the next two years.
0:37.4	As artificial intelligence approaches human-level intelligence,
0:40.7	the report predicts that its impact will exceed that of the Industrial Revolution
0:44.8	and warns of a future where governments ignore safety guardrails
0:49.2	as they compete to build more and more powerful systems.
0:53.2	What makes AI 2027 feel so urgent is that its authors
0:57.0	are experts with inside knowledge of current research pipelines. The project was led by Daniel
1:03.4	Kokotalo, a former Open AI researcher who left the company last year over concerns it was
1:10.0	racing recklessly towards unchecked
1:12.5	superintelligence.
1:14.4	Coco Talo joins me on the show today to talk about the report, its implications, and to help
1:20.7	us answer some big questions about AI's development.
1:24.2	What will it mean for the balance of global power and for humanity itself? And what
1:29.8	should policymakers, technology firms, be doing right now to prepare for an AI-dominated future
1:35.9	that experts say is only a few short years away? That's a lot to discuss. Let's get to it.
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