Every dollar saved in Washington is a dream realized somewhere in America.

And that politicians are all, they're focused on how do we grow a federal agency?

But real leaders are focused on how do I grow your agency?

How do I help you pursue happiness on your terms so you can invest in the things you care about?

The charities you care about, the local groups, your family, your business.

And real leaders find incredible satisfaction and knowing that they're giving you an opportunity to pursue happiness on your terms.

John Hart is the CEO of OpenTheBooks.com.

We're going to get into all of this dogey stuff.

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We'd love to have you on board. Openthebooks.com is sort of a precursor to Doge. It is a way to look

at your state, your federal government agencies and figure out just how much they're

spending and on what? It's an amazing website. There's a lot of news. There's a lot of video to take in.

There are charts and categories and maps and it's super user friendly. I recommend you give it a shot.

We're going to talk to John Hart about what the mission of this is, how it reflects

in what Doge is doing, and a lot more that's coming right up.

John Hart, thank you so much for joining us. You couldn't be a more timely guest. We've got this

thing called Doge that is driving a lot of people up the walls,

and many people are applauding it. We're trying to debate between a chainsaw and a scalpel.

You are the CEO of OpenThebooks.com, which I honestly, I don't think I was aware of before I saw

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