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Decoding the Gurus

Open Science, Psychology, and the Art of Not Quite Claiming Causality with Julia Rohrer

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Social Sciences, Science, Leisure, Society & Culture

4.21.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2026

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Summary

In a rare departure from our usual diet of online weirdos, this episode features an academic who is very much not a guru. We’re joined by Julia Rohrer, a psychologist at Leipzig University whose work straddles the disciplinary boundaries of open science, research transparency, and causal inference. Julia is also an editor at Psychological Science and has spent much of the last decade politely pointing out that psychologists often don’t quite know what they’re estimating, why, or under which assumptions.

We talk about the state of psychology after the replication crisis, whether open science reforms have genuinely improved research practice (or just added new boxes to tick), and why causal thinking is unavoidable even when researchers insist they are “only describing associations.” Julia explains why the standard dance of imply causality → deny causality → add boilerplate disclaimer is unhelpful, and argues instead for being explicit about the causal questions researchers actually care about and the assumptions required to answer them.

Along the way we discuss images of scientists in the public and amongst the gurus, how post-treatment bias sneaks into even well-intentioned experimental designs, why specifying the estimand matters more than running ever-fancier models, and how psychology’s current norms can potentially punish honesty about uncertainty. We also touch on her work on birth-order effects and offer some possible reasons for optimism.

With all the guru talk, people sometimes ask us to recommend things that we like, and Julia's work is one such example!

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0:00.0

I'm

0:02.0

. Hello and welcome to coding the gurus, a podcast or a psychologist and an anthropologist

0:32.9

of sorts.

0:34.5

Look at online gurus and assorted weirdos. But occasionally we don't do that and we sometimes

0:42.5

try to speak to people who we think are actually doing good things and have interesting approaches

0:49.8

to topics. And so we have an interview today and a guest joining us, who is Julia Rohrer,

0:59.2

and an academic Matt and I are both a fan of who works in the Wilhelm Wund Institute for Psychology

1:07.2

at Leipzig University and has been active in open science movement for as long as I

1:14.5

have paid attention to them and now more recently does a lot of work about causal inference.

1:21.0

So we are having you on, Julia, not as an intervention for emerging guru-ness, but we're allowed

1:26.6

to model that not all academics, sort of the

1:29.5

terrible bastards that the gurus keep saying they are. So yeah, thank you. Thank you for having me.

1:34.2

And I was a bit concerned when you talked about online weirdos and this introduction would go into

1:38.5

another direction. No, that's a perfectly accurate introduction. Thank you.

1:43.1

So, Julia, you've been working in causal inference and the whole area, I guess,

1:49.1

reforming psychology, educating psychologists, trying to get us to do better methods.

1:54.4

Do you still feel optimistic and excited about the future of the field, or are we

1:59.1

wallowing and beyond salvation?

2:03.5

Oh, you're already starting with a mean question.

2:06.8

I think maybe like 10 years ago I wrote a blog post when I was like very much into open

2:11.9

science, how like the field wasn't doing great and I was still very optimistic about the future.

2:21.1

I'm not sure how optimistic am I am. I think we are like making good progress. I'm like as I'm getting older, I think I see

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