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Do you hate your open plan office? Are you even in an office anymore? COVID changed how we use office spaces,

and now many employers are starting to rethink their design. Today, we're talking about how

insights from deaf and autistic communities could finally make open plan offices better for everyone.

I'm Kelso Harper, and you're listening to Scientific Americans' Science Quickly.

So today I'm here with George Musser, a contributing editor for Scientific American.

Hey, George, thanks for joining me. And thanks for having me here and letting me rant about offices.

Yes, of course. So, George, you just published a feature story in our April issue about the nemesis of many knowledge workers, the open plan office.

So why are open plan offices so very maligned?

I mean, it's no mystery if you've worked in an open office that there are trade ops, like everything in life, there's good and there's bad. So the good would start with that was supposed to be being in an open office that there are trade-offs like everything in life. There's good and there's

bad. So the good would start with that was supposed to be being in an open plan makes it just

easier to bump into people, to share ideas and have those serendipitous encounters that bring

us to the office in the first place. But on the downside, it's noisy. There's a sense of exposure, which is especially acute for women,

but I think applies really to everybody that you're on display. There's the clutter of an open,

open office, the visual clutter. In my business as a writer, conducting interviews, talking to people.

I mean, how do you do that in an open plan? You're

disturbing everyone around you, right? So there's all sorts of problems that are no mystery to anyone

who's walked in an office and spent exactly eight seconds there. So I think the realization,

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