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Hello, on today's programme I'll be delving into the world of the graphic novel with Joe Sacco and Denise

Minor, amongst others, where superheroes now wrestle for shelf space with books on reportage,

anorexia and the First World War. But first, we go on a quest with Justin Cartwright to discover

the secret left behind by one of the most famous of English kings, Richard the Lionheart.

For those who consider the South African-born Cartwright to be one of our greatest exponents

of the contemporary novel,

this foray into the Crusades

may come as a surprise.

Never fear.

Although events here are framed

by one of history's bloodiest feuds

between the Muslim leader Saladin

and the French-speaking English king Richard I.

Cartwright's story is as much about the legacy

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