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The Briefing with Jen Psaki

Oops! He Did It Again: Secretary Hegseth on the Defensive over Second Signal Chat

The Briefing with Jen Psaki

NBC News

News, Politics

4.5664 Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Jen Psaki delves into the storm brewing at the Pentagon, amid a wave of firings new revelations that embattled Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shared sensitive information on another signal chat. Veteran journalist Bob Woodward reflects on Hegseth's apparent incompetency, as well as the increasingly reckless actions of an unaccountable president. Later, 25-year-old vice chair of the Democratic National Committee, David Hogg, joins to discuss his controversial new initiative to oust some Democratic incumbents, as well as the criticism he's received from fellow democrats like James Carville.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Okay. The first thing I should tell you tonight is that Bob Woodward is here. Yes, that Bob Woodward, all the president's men, Bob Woodward, the reporter who toppled to President Bob Woodward. I can tell you that when you're working in government and

0:20.9

Bob Woodward's number pops up on your phone, which has happened to me, your heart rate

0:25.1

picks up a little bit, no matter what administration you're in. And he's going to be here at the

0:29.1

table in just a few minutes. But first, I want to show you something he said the last time we spoke,

0:34.6

because it was right after the election, just a few weeks after. And one of

0:38.2

the things we talked about was the glaring incompetence of the people Donald Trump was

0:42.5

picking for his cabinet. People like Pete Hexeth. I have known over the reporting time I've had

0:52.3

for five decades, 16 secretaries of defense, going back even before I was a reporter Robert McNamara.

1:03.0

And they have to know management.

1:08.0

They have to know what the responsibility is. They have to know where the levers of

1:14.1

power are. And in this appointee, I see none of that. Sixteen secretaries of defense. I see

1:24.5

none of that is what he said. And yet it didn't take an investigative mind like Bob Woodward's

1:30.1

to know that Pete Higgs said the Secretary of Defense might be slightly problematic. I mean,

1:35.7

before running the U.S. military, he was a weekend morning show host on Fox News with a reputation

1:40.4

for going years without washing his hands, which, by the way, is his admission,

1:44.7

just to make it even weirder.

1:46.8

And no shade to cable news hosts, obviously.

1:49.0

Even ones who get a little crazy on New Year's Eve, you can see there.

1:51.9

It's not a job that exactly prepares you to run the Pentagon as your next step.

1:56.9

There were also the countless allegations of Hague Seth drinking on the job, both at

2:00.3

veterans organizations and at Fox News. The New York reported he once got so drunk that he had to be restrained

2:06.4

from getting on a stage at a Louisiana strip club. There were the allegations that he ran those

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