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slash voxpod this is recode media with peter kofka that is me and today we are going high

and we're going low we're going to talk And today we are going high and we're going low.

We're going to talk about the disinformation industrial complex. And we're going to talk about porn.

And as always, we're going to talk to smart people about these things. First up, we've got

Magdalene Taylor from Mel Magazine to walk us through the crazy only fan story. The story is so weird

that we taped an entirely different

conversation just yesterday and now we had to tape a new one today because there's

new news here. Only fans as many of you probably know is this big and growing and

really interesting subscription porn platform that last week announced they were

kind of getting out of that business and now have announced, no, no, we're going to stay in that business. Magdalene is going to walk us all through it and beyond that sort of talk about the weird place that porn has in our culture where it's both totally pervasive and also increasingly hard to run a legitimate porn business. So we will talk to her about all of that.

And then we're going to talk to Joe Bernstein, who normally writes about tech for BuzzFeed.

He took a year off to hang out with some smarties at Harvard's Neiman Lab.

And he made a provocative splash last week with a big essay in Harper's about disinformation

and misinformation and what those things actually mean and why we don't really know what they mean,

why it's not terrible for Facebook and Twitter and YouTube to have a disinformation problem,

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