Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation?

Welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor, the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime. And the guy who is

supposed to look like Scott is not Scott. It is Rob DeMico. Let me just say this first very

quickly. Everything's gone to hell today. So I think this, my Wi-Fi connection might be about to go out.

So I apologize in advance.

The COE cannot connect.

I don't know if it's a thing in our area.

Let me just, I'm going to spend about a minute whining.

We also had the court hearing this morning for Courtney

Clinton, the case that we're about to talk about with Rob DeMico and Phil Waters. We had the

Zoom feed. Courtney has been in court every single time. So, of course, I was waiting to see her.

And during that time, we had

Melba Pearson, a legal mind of an attorney. So I was speaking to her. And I went off on a tangent about

Ellen Greenberg because the case has driving me crazy. And lo and behold, eventually the Zoom ends and we're like, what happened?

There was 1,800 people in the chat.

Turns out during the time I was talking about Ellen Greenberg and I had to court muted,

she never came to court and it was just her attorneys.

And since then, I've been trying to figure out what happened.

She was asking for bail, which I'm almost certainly, oh, look at this.

Julia Fruh, she's the best.

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