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Factually! with Adam Conover

Online Extremism, White Supremacy and the Myth of the “Lone Wolf” with J.M. Berger

Factually! with Adam Conover

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Comedy

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2019

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Author and extremism researcher J.M. Berger joins Adam this week to discuss the surprising similarities between white supremacist and Islamist extremists, the ways extremist groups frame their hatred to seem more appealing and what social media services need to do to stop its spread. This episode is sponsored by KiwiCo (www.kiwico.com/FACTUALLY). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This is a HeadGum Podcast. I don't know what to think

0:13.0

I don't know what to say

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and the guy's all right

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yeah that's okay

0:22.0

I don't know.

0:23.0

I don't know.

0:24.0

Hello, everyone.

0:28.0

Hello everyone, welcome to Factually.

0:30.0

I'm your host Adam Conover, and today, let's talk about white supremacy. I know I know it's a tough one but you know based on the events of the last year or two I think we got to do it. In 1992 a white supremacist named Louis Beam published an essay called

0:46.8

Leaderless Resistance. His big idea, which had a lot of currency in the pale and pasty circles of white nationalists at the time

0:54.6

was that white supremacists should take action on their own or in small groups without taking

1:00.3

orders from any leadership.

1:02.8

See, he figured that if white supremacist used

1:05.0

any form of formal hierarchical organization,

1:08.0

it would be too easy for the government to come in and bust it up,

1:11.4

cut the head off the snake, and the body will die, right?

1:14.0

So, instead of snakes, leaderless resistance

1:17.0

advocated that white nationalists should be more like worms,

1:20.0

or I guess even more like worms.

1:22.0

Either way it's fitting. instead of there being anyone in charge

1:25.3

Leaderless resistance advocated that there be cells which coordinated loosely with each other

1:30.8

sharing information through newspapers and computers so that if one cell was

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