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Why It Matters

One Woman's Path From a U.S. College Campus to the Ukrainian Battlefield

Why It Matters

Council on Foreign Relations

News

4.2876 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

This episode traces one young woman's journey home to a new kind of war—and Ukraine’s fight for survival.   Host:   Gabrielle Sierra, Director of Podcasting, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)   Guest:   Catarina Buchatskiy, Co-Founder & Director of Analytics, Snake Island Institute   We discuss: The story of a young Ukrainian woman who left college in the U.S. to join the fight at home within days of the invasion. How Ukraine transformed its drone manufacturing from garage shops to a sophisticated, rapidly scaling defense industry. Ukraine’s surprising dependence on China in its drone supply chain, and its push to make ‘China-free’ drones by 2026. Stories of Ukrainian resilience and resolve. How the Snake Island Institute bridges the gap between the battlefield and Western policymaking by connecting Ukrainian military insights to the allies who are shaping defense strategy. As Buchatskiy puts it: “The overarching definition of victory is that the Ukrainian nation is whole, that the state is legitimate, that we have control over the state, that we have our democracy, and that we’re at peace and can live freely.”   Want to keep up with Why It Matters? Sign up to receive an email alert when new episodes drop.   Why It Matters is a production of the Council on Foreign Relations. The opinions expressed on the show are solely those of the host and guests, not of the Council, which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.

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0:00.0

It's really, really hard to imagine any version of victory that includes giving away Ukrainian territory.

0:09.5

To me personally, retaining a claim on or getting those back is just a huge measure.

0:15.8

Like, that's my white whale in a way.

0:18.3

Like, that's what I'm chasing.

0:19.9

The overarching definition of

0:21.4

victory is that the Ukrainian nation is whole, that the state is legitimate, that we have control

0:27.1

over the state, that we have our democracy, and that we're at peace and can live freely. And so

0:33.5

we're trying to work towards that. This season, we've been looking at the war in Ukraine,

0:39.8

how it has reshaped the idea of modern conflict

0:43.3

and launched the world into a new era of warfare.

0:47.3

But from 30,000 feet, war can start to feel abstract.

0:52.3

After four years, the numbers of dead and wounded, the cities destroyed,

0:56.9

the countless drones and missile barrages can almost lose their meaning. So today, as part of our

1:04.0

special Ukraine miniseries, we're bringing you an on-the-ground perspective through one-person's story.

1:10.9

Her name is Kat Bukovsky.

1:13.2

She's a 25-year-old from Kiev, who, when the war began, was attending college in California,

1:19.4

lifetimes away from the front line.

1:21.4

But within days of Russia's invasion, she went home.

1:25.2

Since then, she co-founded the Snake Island Institute.

1:29.1

It's an independent Ukrainian group that studies defense

1:32.1

and develops new ideas to strengthen long-term ties

1:35.5

between Ukraine and its Western allies.

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