For one, three, two, and I've let him do stinkers, I'd rather just win the game and keep a cling sheet all day long.

You're going all the way at the wire, for your own sake, for the club's sake, for the fans' sake, for everybody's sake,

I think it can be something harder than going all the way at the wire at winner league title.

As soon as I go up, I would say go over that white line, really.

I just go to that zone of that mentality.

I leave everything out on the pitch.

I literally have that passion and drive

to do all I can't be the best version

that keep the ball out of the mat.

And I just love nothing more than winning football matches.

I'm mad out now.

Welcome to another one-on-one from Sky Sports.

The podcast where one of us sits down with a biggest name from the world of football.

And, Joes, you're up again this week with England and Everton's number one.

It will be your turn next week, Joe. Don't you worry. But let's talk about Jordan Pickford, because that's who I spoke to. His slick back hair and everything, we know what he looks like on the pitch, full of gel, game hair. But when I went to go and see him last week at Everton's Training Ground at Finch Farm, he'd just

finished training. He'd had some lunch. He'd been in the meeting. So he took me a little bit by surprise

when he walked into the interview room where we were going to have this conversation. And his

hair was just fluffy. It was freshly washed, fluffy hair, not even a little bit of gel in sight. So if you want to see what

it looked like, you can see it on YouTube, obviously, and all the other interviews that we do here

on one-on-one. But it really, really took me by surprise, and it kind of gave him a completely

different look. And we know how he plays as well. He's intense. He's passionate and he always gives his

all for those 90 minutes all beyond. But he's got a range of facials that he pulls, like we saw

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