Well, and I'll hear with today's talking point.

Just nine months into his presidency, Donald Trump has only begun to form a government, but

we already have a new book called One Nation After Trump.

It is subtitled, A Guide for the Perplexed, the Desperate, and the Not Yet Deported.

It has three authors, E.J. Dionne and Thomas Mann, veteran journalists and authors

with the Brookings Institution, and Norman Ornstein, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

He joins us now. Always good to have you with us. It's always a pleasure to be with you, Warren.

The Trump administration has hardly gotten underway. It's incoherent. It's constantly changing.

It certainly isn't close to having a legacy. Isn't it premature, if not presumptuous, to call a book One Nation after Trump?

Well, at some point, and we don't know when, we will have Donald Trump out of the presidency. It could well be before his four-year term. We can't discount the possibility that it could be eight years. But the point of the book really was to suggest both parts of this. What kind of country

will we have after Trump? And can we make it one nation again instead of the deeply divided,

tribal, racially fractious country we have now.

And so we look at how we got to this point, how we could have ended up with a president who we say

is someone the framers never could have envisioned as occupying this high office, the dangers that he represents, but also what we can do

to make it e pluribus unum again out of many one. When you talk about tribalism and racism

and fractionalism, you in your book say that what brought about Donald Trump was really a long process.

Can you describe it?

Sure.

And, you know, we have to say Donald Trump didn't just emerge from his own swamp.

This has been building for at least 30 years and some parts of it for 50 years or more. If you go back just as an example to

the eloquent book by Bob Putnam, Bowling Alone, about the decline of community in America.

Kai Erickson, the sociologist, wrote about its collapse in a community in West Virginia,

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