Welcome to the dispatch podcast. I'm Steve Hayes. Today we have a conversation with Tarras Bic

Ukrainian on the front lines in

Kiev who we've talked to before

We'll talk to Tarras about what he's seeing on the ground today in the capital and his trip to Levyv

Along with other elements of the war as it's unfolding on the ground in Ukraine in our second conversation

We talked to Tom Keriko a missile defense expert from the Center for Strategic and International Studies

about the war taking place above the ground in Ukraine

Tarras, thanks for joining us again. We just see you. Since we spoke last which was about two weeks ago

I have had many many dispatch members and friends and relatives ask how you've been

So tell us how have you been in the last two weeks? In the last two weeks

Well, you know, it's difficult for us to call something weeks dates days because we do not count those anymore

It just 24th 25th 26th day of the war and so on and

The difference I was I was I was still a difference because you know we have passed this

and feeling of shock of despair because the because of the war and we know that we have to

Mobilize all our efforts to win and I would say it's more now our work has become much more systematic

Whether it's army fighting on the front lines or volunteer volunteers organizing support for the army or just companies that are working

And it has become much more systemic and I would say kind of you know new new normality

Which is obviously not the normality that used to exist but something that

We have adjusted to new realities

You just use the phrase what we have to do to win or something close to that

If we had had a conversation on the first day of the war when Russia's invasion first started and the shelling

And the destruction was first evident

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