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The Daily

One Man Flees Putin’s Draft

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2022

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Kirill, 24, works at a nonprofit for homeless people in the Moscow region. He does not support the policies of President Vladimir V. Putin and is vehemently against the invasion of Ukraine. After suffering setbacks in the war, Mr. Putin announced a military draft a week ago. Kirill was among those called up. As he hides out to avoid being served his papers, Kirill spoke to Sabrina Tavernise about how his life has changed. Guest: Kirill, a 24-year-old from Moscow who is attempting to avoid the draft and who asked that only his first name be used to avoid reprisals.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Sabrina Tavarnese. This is the Daily.

0:07.0

Last weekend, my colleague Anton Trinovsky called a woman who lives in a small town above the Arctic Circle in Northern Russia.

0:23.0

She told him she was in line with the pediatrician, with sick kids, when she first heard the news.

0:37.0

The woman next to her got a phone call. Someone's son had just been drafted to go fight the war in Ukraine.

0:47.0

When she overheard that, she said, I felt like ice inside.

0:57.0

Like, some kind of darkness had fallen. Then she started hearing about other men.

1:12.0

Her husband's business got a letter. Seven employees had to respond to the draft office.

1:23.0

The band director at a local school got the call. Then the draft came for her extended family.

1:36.0

They're taking my second cousin. They're taking my first cousin. They're taking my nephew.

1:50.0

She's worried that, with winter coming, there won't be enough men to run the coal plant that heats people's homes.

1:56.0

Or take care of the reindeer that her community depends on.

2:02.0

She said she doesn't understand the logic of taking so many people from a place where there are so few.

2:12.0

The draft that Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a week ago is disrupting lives all over Russia.

2:25.0

Russian's describe getting draft notices while they're at home and at work.

2:33.0

Notices are even being forced into the hands of those arrested for protesting the war.

2:46.0

Today, I talk to one man facing conscription about how his life has changed since the day the war came to Russia.

2:58.0

It's Thursday, September 29th.

3:08.0

Tell me your name, your first name, because I know the sensitivities, your age, and where you live.

3:18.0

My name is Kirill, I'm 24, and I live in Moscow, Oblast.

3:27.0

So, Kirill, going back to the beginning of the war, when Putin first ordered the invasion of Ukraine on February 24th, take me back to that moment in your life.

3:41.0

What did you think when you saw that?

3:45.0

Oh, yeah, yeah.

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