Before we go further, too, if you watch my podcast, De Bruniverse, this is the very last one.

So we actually don't even know what we're doing.

We just wanted to get together and reflect on the like the whole whole Chebang, 200 episodes.

I thought it would be fun to hear, even though I already know it.

Like I've heard it

bits and pieces from Mike and from you, but how it all started. I mean, to go from recording

on your phone to now where you are now, 200 episodes, I thought it would be cool to hear from

you and Mike, kind of how it all began. Mike, how did we, I don't remember how we went from the closet to, I remember, I remember going

the studio, but like, was the Bruniverse part of the closet? Yeah, it was. It was, right?

Yeah, it was part of it. Dude, you, you started the bruniverse and you were in

random hotel rooms we weren't even in the closet yet you think the very first episode starts off

with you going well here check out my new studio hotel room podcast this is it i first of all i'm in i want to show you my elaborate

new podcast studios it's called hotel room there you go yeah we started in hotel rooms, man.

You were on the road.

That's right, because I was on the, I'd be on the road.

Yeah.

And I'd be, I don't know, I still don't know what I'm doing.

And I also remember one time trying to record, I think I was with Joe Sibb and I was,

I'd put the camera on a coffee maker where like I'd open a cabinet

and try to put it in a cabinet

and like, is the lighting okay for this?

And whatever.

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