One, Big, Beautiful Breakup
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🗓️ 6 June 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
WIRED's Senior Politics Editor Leah Feiger joins Zoë Schiffer, WIRED's Director of Business & Industry to discuss the ongoing fallout between President Trump and Elon Musk, and the future of DOGE.
Articles mentioned in the episode:
- Conspiracy World Thinks the Musk-Trump Breakup Is a 'Psyop'
- DOGE Is on a Recruiting Spree
- Silicon Valley Is Starting to Pick Sides in Musk and Trump’s Breakup
- WIRED Talked to a Fired DOGE Staffer About Who Was Really in Charge
- Trumpworld Is Getting Tired of Laura Loomer. They Hope the President Is Too
- The Epic Rise and Fall of a Dark-Web Psychedelics Kingpin
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Zoe. Before we start, I want to take the chance to remind you that we really want to hear from you. |
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| 0:31.2 | Welcome to Wired's Uncanny Valley. I'm Wired's director of business and industry, Zoe Schiffer. |
| 0:37.2 | Today on the show, we dive into the growing rift between the Trump administration and Elon Musk, |
| 0:42.1 | who led the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, or Doge, and now claims he's stepping down. |
| 0:49.0 | Since Musk announced his departure last month, he's launched a flurry of criticism towards the new Republican |
| 0:54.6 | budget bill. On X, he's called the bill a disgusting abomination and said that members of Congress |
| 1:00.1 | should kill it. It's a surprising departure from the lockstep relationship that Musk and Trump |
| 1:04.7 | maintained basically since the inauguration. We'll dive into what went down and what it might |
| 1:09.7 | mean for the future of Doge. |
| 1:11.5 | I'm joined today by Leah Feiger, senior politics editor at Wired. |
| 1:15.3 | Welcome to the show, Leah. |
| 1:17.1 | Hey, Zoe. Thanks for having me. |
| 1:22.7 | We're re-recording something we tried to record yesterday when Elon Musk and Donald Trump were in the |
| 1:29.1 | middle of their growing spat. But over the course of the day, it completely devolved. Now it looks |
| 1:35.1 | like a full-on breakup. And so here we are again. The boys are fighting. Stuff is getting really |
| 1:41.5 | messy. Can we just go over like what happened yesterday? |
| 1:44.8 | Because when we logged on, I hadn't even seen the tweets yet. |
| 1:47.6 | Like I'd had a nice morning without them. |
| 1:49.3 | And then things got so crazy so fast. |
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