If you don't know how to naturally have a spiritual conversation with your spouse,

then draw from the settings where you've been real comfortable and use that as a launching pad.

So I don't know exactly how to have this conversation, even though it's the most important conversation

about the most important thing with the most important person, but I just don't know how to talk to

her or to him about it. Oftentimes, husbands only think about what the finished product looks

like. You can lead this week spiritually in your marriage if you will talk with your wife about

what starting will look like. If your Bible is collecting more dust and highlighters than this episode's for you.

Today we're talking with Dr. Philip Nation about why spiritual habits in marriage often just

stall out and how to create rhythms that are actually life-giving.

Philip Nation is the vice president and publisher of

Thomas Nelson Bibles and he's served as a pastor, church planner, and an education minister

of local churches. He's a speaker, author, and he's been married for over 30 years. He's super

qualified to talk to us today about prayer and reading the Bible together as a

couple. Yeah, we're diving into why spiritual intimacy is just one of the most neglected parts of a

Christian marriage and how to finally get real about it with your spouse. So let's go. Dr. Philip

Nation, it's so good to have you on the podcast. Thank you for being here.

Well, Adam, Carissa, I'm excited to have this conversation with you guys today. I appreciate the

invitation. Well, we appreciate your just wealth of wisdom that comes to the table today.

You have served in so many capacities in the kingdom,

and we're so grateful that you're going to talk to us today about this thing that really

is a hang up for a lot of people, which is our personal devotion time with the Lord,

prayer and Bible reading. And so what do you think is the

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