Okay. You haven't even eaten your protein bar yet. Okay. Hi. Welcome to The Librarian is in. The New York Public Library's podcast about books, culture, and what to read next.

I'm Gwen.

And I'm Frank.

And later we're going to be joined by Biz Ellis from the podcast, One Bad Mother.

I'm hyperventilating a little bit right now as we speak because it is my favorite podcast in the entire world and talking to her is like a dream come true.

And I'm really excited. I know why it's your favorite podcast too the entire world and talking to her as like a dream come true and I'm really

excited. I know why it's your favorite podcast too. Why? Because it's sort of a lot to talk to

later and I always make these relationships. But like you told me before we went on the air, as they

say, that, well, can I tell this story? Sure. I mean, it just suddenly made me realize when people

say their favorite thing is their favorite thing.

Why is that their favorite thing?

And sometimes it could just be talked, but you actually said you came to the city and you had a 10-week-old baby and you didn't know anybody.

And listening to her podcasts made you feel like less alone, supported, distracted, all the good things.

I was listening to like three or four episodes of One Bad Mother a day at one point

because we were living in this place that was actually kind of rural and I felt, you know,

I had no support systems around and whatever and it just felt so comforting to have this

podcast in my life.

And now it's coming here.

I mean, like, you know, it was also integral to, like, you as, if you could say it was

integral to you as a human being, that you needed the companionship, not just comfort,

like the companionship, the tribal stuff of, well, specifically other women who have

children in talking about how that is. It was so it probably was comforting as a palliative

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