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I'm Noah Feldman. At the beginning of the COVID-19 outbreak, we spent a lot of time thinking about the

doctors, the frontline physicians who were fighting the disease in the hospital. As cases have begun

slowly but surely to decline here in Massachusetts and in other states, we thought it was a good

time to revisit the frontline hospital doctors and the experiences that they've had

treating patients in intensive care units. We wanted to know what their experience has been and how

it's been changing over the last several months. We also wanted to know about the standard of care

in the hospitals. Is coronavirus being treated now the same way that it was treated at the outset,

or have there been significant developments in how physicians are encountering patients?

To discuss these issues, we're joined by Dr. Emmy Rubin. She's a critical care pulmonologist

at Massachusetts General Hospital. She's been on the front line treating coronavirus patients

from the beginning. She's also co-chair of the hospital's optimum care committee, which is

essentially its leading ethics body for figuring out how to handle difficult ethical questions

under circumstances exactly like the ones facing the hospital now.

I asked Dr. Rubin how things have changed in her ICU since March.

So I would say, you know, in the beginning when the cases were surging, Mass General was particularly

hard hit. So in the early days,

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