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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

On the Edge At the NATO Summit

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Podmasters

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 13 July 2023

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

This week, for the second time since Russia’s full scale invasion of Ukraine, world leaders met to discuss the challenges facing the NATO security alliance. With two previously isolationist nations, Finland and Sweden, newly joined or about to join - this week’s Summit in Vilnius, Lithuania spoke of a newly energised organisation. But perhaps predictably in an age of war in Europe - there remain tensions and very big questions. The biggest of all - what to do about Ukraine? To discuss what it means for the war in Ukraine; the nature of global security, and the still-dominant role the USA plays in this post-WW2 organisation, Arthur Snell is joined by:  - Dr Ulrike Franke: senior fellow at the European Council on foreign relations  - John Lough: Chatham House associate fellow of the Russia & Eurasia Programme and the former NATO man in Moscow  - Steven Pifer: former US ambassador to Ukraine and senior fellow at The Brookings Institution. Written and presented by Arthur Snell. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Assitant Producer Liam Tait. Art by Jim Parrett. Original music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. Doomsday Watch is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:00.0

For almost 75 years, this grid alliance has shielded our nations,

1:07.2

and it continues to do so today.

1:10.2

But war has returned to Europe.

1:14.6

NATO has been tested.

1:16.1

All democracies have been tested.

1:18.9

I'm Arthur Snell.

1:20.3

Welcome to Doomsday Watch.

1:24.6

This is a full-of-fetch war going on in Europe.

1:27.6

Have the Allies done enough?

1:29.3

I truly understand that this is a technical signal.

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