Hey, consider this listeners. It's Ari Shapiro.

For the next few weekends, we're bringing you a podcast series from NPR and KQED called On Our Watch.

It's a look into how police officers are disciplined from misconduct,

a process that's often completely hidden from the public.

This is episode three. It's called 2020 Hindsight.

If you need to catch up on the first two episodes, you can search for On Our Watch in your podcast app and listen right now.

Hosts Suki Lewis takes it from here.

This podcast deals with policing and people affected by it.

It contains explicit content and descriptions of violence.

Yeah, it's a police department.

It's around 420 in the morning on Sunday, September 14, 2014.

Still completely dark outside when Julie Perez gets a knock at the door.

Yes. Can we come in and talk to you, ma'am?

And there are two men standing there.

Yeah, anywhere you want.

I'll just stand up for a second. Once you have a seat there, ma'am.

One of whom is an inspector with the District Attorney's Office.

Here's my badge in the case, and I'm a...

And the other one is a detective for the Richmond Police Department.

So you have a son. Does he live here?

Julie and her husband Rick have a 24-year-old son named Petey.

These states here sometimes, but how's it been for a long time?

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