I'm Alan Alder and this is Clear In Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

What I heard over and over again from the folks I interviewed was, I am a good man, right?

And so if you really are a good man or you really are a good person, then get really clear

on don't you want to be contributing in a way that is making the playing field safe,

healthy, balanced for all of us?

And if you know that it's not balanced, it's something you're saying is hurting someone's

feelings or worse.

Don't you want to participate in a better way?

I hope yes.

That's Cleo Stiller who's had 75 really interesting conversations with men about the Me Too

movement and she's written an interesting book about it called Modern Manhood.

Times are changing now in big ways and small and how men and women relate to each other

as they invent new ways to do it.

And Cleo Stiller has taken a frank look at how it's going.

Cleo this is great to have you on the show.

Thank you for coming in.

I'm thrilled to be here.

But this is a special subject because it's really current in everybody's mind, everybody.

And you've done an interesting thing with this book you've written which is called Conversations

about the complicated world of being a good man today, really the aftershocks of the

Me Too movement.

Right?

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