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Hi, David.

Hi, Bob.

How are you doing?

I am doing okay, and I'm delighted to be with you today.

Well, I'm delighted to have you.

Let me introduce us.

I'm Robert Wright.

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You are David Livingston Smith, a professor of philosophy at the University of New England in Maine, although at the moment apparently you're in New Hampshire.

Correct.

Which has certain sales tax advantages, I guess,

or does Maine also have no sales tax?

No, Maine has sales tax.

Okay. People drive down to New Hampshire to buy stuff.

You do your buying on the New Hampshire side and you're teaching on the main side.

Wise man.

So anyway, we're going to talk about a book you've written called On Inhumanity, Dehumanization, and How to Resist it, published by Oxford University Press.

You're an earlier book called Less Than Human, Why We Demean, Slave and Exterminate Others.

So our mistreatment of one another seems to be a persistent interest of yours.

Now, so dehumanization, let me see if I understand kind of the source of your interest in the subject.

So the idea is that dehumanization is kind of a psychological maneuver that is sometimes used to

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