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On goal difference: are America and Israel diverging on Iran?

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The Economist

News, News & Politics

4.35K Ratings

🗓️ 25 March 2026

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

In the daily tea leaves one might read that President Donald Trump would prefer a deal with Iran to a continuing military campaign. Where would that leave Israel and its goals? Cryptocurrencies have gained a particular foothold in Asian economies; will they become real financial infrastructure or just tools of fraud? And tracing the history of mafias through the ages. 


Guests and host:

  • Anshel Pfeffer, Israel correspondent
  • Sue-Lin Wong, Asia correspondent
  • Jon Fasman, senior culture correspondent
  • Rosie Blau, co-host of “The Intelligence”
  • Jason Palmer, co-host of “The Intelligence”


Topics covered: 

  • Iran war, Israel, America
  • cryptocurrency, Asia
  • mafias, crime families, history


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0:00.0

The Economist.

0:10.1

Hello and welcome to the intelligence from The Economist.

0:13.8

I'm Rosie Bloor.

0:14.9

And I'm Jason Palmer.

0:16.4

Every weekday, we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world.

0:25.0

Thank you. weekday, we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world. I was astonished to find out that Asia accounts for many of the most prolific users of

0:30.3

crypto. We dive into who's using it, what for, and how that's reshaping how people and

0:36.0

companies operate.

0:45.3

And film and TV audiences might feel like they know what mafia baddies get up to. Real mafiosi like seeing themselves reflected on screen.

0:49.3

It wasn't always this way.

0:51.3

From Rome to Vegas via Naples, we dive into a new global history of crime

0:56.6

families. But first... When it comes to talking up military and diplomatic successes, President Donald Trump unfailingly

1:15.6

says that things are going just great. He claims to be in talks with the right people in Iran.

1:21.6

He says the country is talking sense that they want to make a deal with him so badly,

1:26.6

that to top it off, somehow there's a

1:28.7

mysterious gift involved. They did something yesterday that was amazing, actually. They gave us a

1:35.1

present, and the present arrived today. It was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money.

1:43.1

Okay, sure, but wind back a tiny bit and listen to this framing.

1:47.0

We have really regime change.

1:50.0

You know, this is a change in the regime,

1:53.0

because the leaders are all very different than the ones that we started off with.

1:58.0

That regime change has already happened. Iran's rhetorical habit is to deny that any talks are happening, even if chatter is going

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