Welcome to Bewildered. I'm Martha Beck here with Rowan Mangan. At this crazy moment in history, a lot of people are feeling bewildered, but that actually may be a sign we're on track. Human culture teaches

us to come to consensus, but nature, our own true nature, helps us come to our senses. Rowan and I believe that the best way to figure it all out

is by going through bewilderment into be wilderment.

That's why we're here.

Hi, I'm Martha Beck. And I'm Rowan Mangan and this is another episode of

Bewelded the podcast for people who are trying to figure it out we're trying to

figure it out aren't we we are We try so hard. Yeah, how you doing today at figuring it out?

Uh, very dimly sighted. I have been looking at my computer screen so much that I've gotten very near-sighted.

You're just a blur to me. How are you doing it?

You're just a blur to me too. But I can see you perfectly clearly.

Just it moves so fast.

But what are you actually trying to figure out in a more important way?

I am trying to, you know, honey I'm always trying to figure you out one way or another, you're an endless

mystery to me in the best possible way.

And one of the recent things that's happened in our household is that we've been

infested with moths. There's little moths that are, you know, there's some, there's obviously something in our pantry that is

you know we should should be putting things in the airtight everything and we try but maybe

there's something and a little moth came out of it.

It's kind of a gross thing to admit actually.

It's like...

We're infested with Roman.

Yeah and we...

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