Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the intention

of real truth for you, and then let it go.

For me, our soul is like it's unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves.

When people stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming, we turn

to ourselves, and that's where you become empowered.

Courageous participation attracts positive things.

I'm Gwyneth Paltrow, and this is the Goop Podcast, where we bring together

visionaries, scientists, healers, artists, and seekers. I'm so grateful that I get to

interview these extraordinary thought leaders and share their wisdom with you.

And I love listening to the conversations that are led by my co-host and dear friend,

Cleo Wade. Cleo is a beautiful poet and author. I deeply admire her in the way she keeps her

heart open to the world. Together, we believe that engaging an open-minded, honest, and sometimes

difficult conversations has the power to change our lives. All right, over to Cleo.

My guest today is someone who I love and adore so much. When I was first asked to co-host

this podcast, Gwyneth asked me who I was most looking forward to talking to, and I told her I was

really excited to have my friend Ami Nautu-Sao on to talk about friendship. And when I wondered if I

could actually pull this off, part of how I dreamt or walked myself there, was envisioning this

conversation. So I'm very excited to share it all with you today. Ami Nautu-Sao is the New York

Times bestselling author of Big Friendship, How We Keep Each Other Close, which she co-wrote with

her friend Ann Friedman. They also hosted and produced the amazing podcast, Call Your Girl Friend,

for more than a decade. Today, we did what we do. We talked about what it really takes to create

bonds for the long haul. And just like our friendship, today's conversation is hardy, honest, and

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