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Shameless

On Ariana Grande

Shameless

Shameless Media

Society & Culture

4.71.8K Ratings

🗓️ 21 June 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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MONDAY ANALYSIS: If you need support, you can reach out to Butterfly Foundation, here for you 8am – midnight (AEST/AEDT), 7 days a week on 1800 ED HOPE (1800 33 4673). Help is also available here at Lifeline. An op-ed in The Telegraph this week grabbed our attention with the headline: Karen Carpenter offers a haunting warning for Ariana Grande fans. We thought maybe it was time to have an uncomfortable conversation about it. This episode of Shameless is brought to you by “Your Fault: London”, only on Prime Video. Your hosts are Zara McDonald (@zamcdonald) and Michelle Andrews (@michelleandrews1). Shameless Podcast is produced by Annabelle Lee and Eilish Gilligan, executive-produced by Lucy Hunt and audio-edited by Eilish Gilligan. Our social media team consists of Naima Fatema, Divya Simmie and Eilish Gilligan, and our partnerships manager is Cindy Luu. Want to support our show? Clicking ‘follow’ on Apple and Spotify is the best way to do that, and we're super grateful to anyone who leaves a five-star review while they're at it. Also! An old-fashioned 'Tell a Friend In Real Life' is equally appreciated. Want more? We've got more… Subscribe to our newsletter Smart, Dumb Stuff: https://tinyurl.com/4yasjphn    Follow us on Instagram: https://tinyurl.com/2mf557ux  Aaaand we’re on TikTok: https://tinyurl.com/2hchchrp  Everything else your heart could ever desire is here: https://linktr.ee/shamelesspodcast  Thanks for listening! We’re huge fans of yours. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Before we get into this episode, just a heads up that we are going to be discussing eating disorders today.

0:04.7

For support, call the Butterfly National Helpline on 1-800-E-D Hope, 1-800-33-4-6-7-3,

0:14.3

or visit www.butterfly.org.org to chat online or email seven days a week at a.m. to midnight aest.

0:26.4

Lucid dreaming update. Yes. Have you? No. Finding it incredibly difficult to do the training.

0:33.5

Yeah. If people haven't listened to this Friday episode where we spoke about lucid dreaming to catch you up very, very quickly.

0:39.4

Zara's little brother trained himself in COVID to Lucid Dream.

0:42.6

This was a revelation to Zara about a month ago.

0:45.3

She didn't know this happened.

0:47.0

But I tasked myself with the training that Zara is pregnant.

0:52.9

I would take it upon myself to try and lucid dream. Thank you. And the training is I need to look at clocks all the time. Yeah, we're actually, no, I'm not doing my due diligence of telling you know of clocks. Apart from when it's 11-11, you never tell me the time. So you don't tell me the time. I feel like I'm actually trying to do a lot solo for this podcast. Okay, my issue was is at the time I said, well, how good I've got a child that often wakes me up at five or six. She's just sleeping through the night. She's sleeping too well. She's sleeping through the night. On the rare occasion, she does wake me up. Disaster. Because it's not like I wake up and I go, one second, what was my dream? Let me write down three words.

1:28.5

I know you're crying and need some milk, but Mama has to get to a lucid dreaming general.

1:33.3

So when she's waking up, my immediate thought is not, what dream was I just having? It's all my

1:39.1

child's in distress. Terrible for lucid dream training. I have not written down a single dream. The other

1:45.9

thing that's happening is I'm putting so much pressure on myself to remember my dream. I wake up,

1:50.7

I've clocked and I've just had a dream, but I'm trying so hard to remember it. It vanishes.

1:54.9

It's like I have performance anxiety. Okay. That's okay. So I've decided I'm going to keep

1:59.7

trying, but I actually think this

2:01.8

requires such energy I need to do it when we're on annual leave. Okay. I think I need to be

2:06.2

out of fully, I am really wanting to do this, but I'm finding it quite stressful to do it

2:10.3

with regular life. I truly can't do it. Like, I'm on sleeping tablet still every night. I truly

2:15.2

cannot. Speaking of, yes, did you say the TikTok about you this week? No, I'm detox. And also, that is never a sentence a girl wants to hear. No, no, no, it's a good one. Yeah. And I would say this is coming from an expert. So, the psychic-ish podcast has 270,000 followers on TikTok. Oh my God. The video about you didn't go that far.

2:37.3

It got 400 lives.

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