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Welcome to the Bullwork podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. This is probably one of the most

talked about articles written about Donald Trump in the last year. That's saying a lot

because the zone has been absolutely flooded. But Olivia Nutsi's piece in New York magazine,

the final campaign, has just, I think it's hidden in nerve because if you have not seen

it, the magazine's cover photo of our article, Features Trump sitting alone at Mar-a-Lago.

It's kind of a pathetic shrunken figure. She writes that one of his advisors told her,

his world is so, so small. And he does appear to be this lonely figure. The headline is

the final campaign. Is it even a real campaign? What's really going on? So by the way, thanks

for coming back on the podcast, Olivia. Of course. Thank you for having me. And happy

birthday again. I mentioned it. Your birthday is easy to remember because it's January

6, which means that you've had kind of a notable series of birthdays then, haven't you?

I guess I have. Maybe I should move it. No, no, no, no, no. You kind of know something

big is going to happen on your birthday. Well, I want to talk about this article and walk

through, you know, where Donald Trump is. What is state of mind is what you saw? But I have

to tell you, the image that was just chef's kiss was the fact that he's obsessed with

the movie Sunset Boulevard, you know, starring Gloria Swanson as the washed up lonely silent

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