From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's the treatment.

Welcome to the treatment, the home nutrition from my home, at least.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

My guest is known for so much, including as a pretty interesting author,

and his newest project is a book.

It is chasing the light.

And he's done, I think, probably one of the most adult adaptations of somebody.

You might think of as a Marvel Comics hero or character,

and that character is described in the introduction as being black-haired, selenide, with gigantic mirths, and gigantic melancholies.

And that certainly could apply to my guest, Oliver Stone.

Oliver is good to talk to you. How are you?

Thank you, Elvis. I'm okay. I'm laughing at your reference to Conan the Barbarian.

I just, it strikes me as being, in some ways, quintessentially you, although you speak a number of times in the book about Tennis' poem Ulysses.

And I also think about a line from that poem

that could define what you do, which I think it's the thunder and the sunshine.

And I guess in reading the book and you detail so much of your time on the early projects

and your early life, I was just thinking that your early films as a director,

certainly Platoon and Salvador and even Wall Street,

feel like journal entries.

So it's so interesting to see that you were a journal keeper as a young person.

Yeah, my father encouraged me to write for money early when I was about seven. He'd give me a quarter, a 25 cents a week to turn in a theme on Saturday. And I didn't particularly care for writing,

but I enjoyed making the money and getting a comic book or something else. And in those days,

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