Hello and welcome back to Franklin Covey's twice weekly podcast on leadership

with Scott Miller. That's me I'm your host each week where for the better part of

six plus years and 350 plus episodes twice weekly on Tuesdays and Fridays we release both video and audio episodes where Franklin Covey,

the world's most trusted leadership firm,

shines their four-plus decade megawatt spotlight onto different thought leaders,

sometimes in our company, sometimes outside of our company, on topics that we think will make you a better leader.

Perhaps you are a formal leader inside of an organization,

frontline, first level, first time or season.

Perhaps you are a member of a not-for-profit committee or a social organization

where you're in a formal leadership role or maybe you're a stay-at-home dad or mom.

You have a side hustle but your job is to build a family life and therefore you're a leader in that capacity.

Whether you are formally or informally a leader, all of us struggle with this thing called life.

The number of hours, the number of weeks we have in our life, how do we tune our attention and focus and discipline and set priorities?

Franklin Covey, of course, is arguably one of the leading authorities on both personal and organizational productivity.

We of course have written some of the biggest books in history around time management,

including this book, The Five Choices 2, Extraordinary extraordinary productivity of where our current

time management solution is based upon. Today we have someone that has a little

bit of a counterintuitive approach to what you might call time management or productivity.

You know him as Oliver Berkman.

He is the author of the New York Times best-selling book.

He is a long-time columnist on the topic of productivity and time management, the book he has written is called

4,000 weeks, Time Management for Mortals.

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