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This is the Get Booked podcast, a weekly show for personalized reading recommendations.

This is episode 261 and where you're recording on December 15th.

I'm Amanda Nelson and I'm here with Jeff O'Neill and we are coming to you from Book Riot.

Welcome.

What's going on?

Hi.

So Jen is obviously not here. Jeff is not Jen. Jen is on vacation, which is, you know, I'm jealous. I'm extremely jealous. But for y'all who, I guess people don't, maybe don't know who you are, but have you ever been on the show? I was on with, I covered for you not too long ago, which, because it's 2020 might have been six years ago or three months. It's hard to know. But I've been on before. Okay. Well, if you are listening for the first time, Jeff is our CEO and co-host of the Bookeroyup podcast where they talk about news and interesting things happening in the world of books and reading. I don't want to call it a gossip show, but sometimes I like to think that it's a gossip show because that's fun. Look, is it insider industry? Like the line between that and gossip is a little rough, you know, to some time. But it's the inner workings of, I mean, frankly, maybe the most cloistered of our major, like, medias when it comes to the actual industry. Music and movies and TV have their business on Front Street all the time, and where with books, we really don't. In sports, too, or something. And video games increasingly is a soap opera. But books is a little, you know, we don't even tell you how many books are sold in a week. You can't even figure out what the best selling book was or how much money things made. Whereas movie people are very happy to tell you that. Yeah, I was reading a thing

recently about how that was kind of a big deal for making movies like a weekly event so that

people could keep score like sports, which is interesting. I think it's an interesting way of

thinking about. We've long wondered about how to cover books like sports, and could you do for books what ESPN did for sports

in the 80s, which people don't realize now when there's like nine wall-to-wall sports all the

time TV shows that you could watch highlights once a week on Saturday night. It's so hard to

remember now. But anyway, yeah. So Rebecca and I

are interested, and I think you are too. You've been on that show too, just like the inner workings

of this business of books. And as someone who studied like the English side for a long time,

scandously little attention paid to the actual like capitalist bit, which turns out is

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