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Okay, Computer: The Post-SVB Smackdown with Deirdre Bosa and Rick Heitzmann

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🗓️ 5 April 2023

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Dan Nathan is joined by CNBC TechCheck’s Deirdre Bosa and Rick Heitzmann of FirstMark Capital to discuss mega-cap tech’s rally to start the year (2:00), Jamie Dimon’s annual shareholder letter (7:00), whether the banking crisis is in the rearview mirror (10:00), private market valuations (14:30), C3.ai dropping on a short seller report (21:00), and WWE merging with UFC (23:00). Later, he sits down with Kai Tse, Co-Founder & Managing Partner at Structural Capital to discuss the venture debt business (29:30), Silicon Valley Bank (34:30), competition in the space (40:00), and the state of the private markets (48:30). View our show notes here Email us at [email protected] with any feedback, suggestions, or questions for us to answer on the pod and follow us @OkayComputerPod. We’re on social: Follow Dan Nathan @RiskReversal on Twitter Follow @GuyAdami on Twitter Follow us on Instagram @RiskReversalMedia Subscribe to our YouTube page

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0:00.0

Welcome to OK Computer. I am Dan Nathan. I am joined by CNBC's Tech Check host. That would be Dear Drubosa. You also know her as Debo. Debo, welcome back.

0:11.5

Hello, I missed you last week, so I'm glad to be back. Exactly. We covered a lot. We actually have a lot to cover today. We're going to be joined by Rick Heitzman at First Mark Capital. We're going to talk about some private market valuation moves. We're going to talk about a big deal in the public markets.

0:25.4

That would be the UFC and the WWE's merger. That would be instigated by Endeavor. We also have a

0:32.7

great conversation. I sat down with Kai C. He is the co-founder and managing partner of structural capital. We talk about

0:41.2

just the SVB collapse and what it means for the private debt market. So there's a lot to chew on there.

0:47.1

But let's you and I get into it a little bit. We're recording this on Tuesday afternoon.

0:51.9

The S&P closed up more than 7% in Q1 of this year. The NASDAQ

0:57.1

up about 16.5% or so. The NASDAQ 100, which we know 45% of that or so, is the top

1:03.5

six names closed up more than 20%. D. The rally in the markets got really narrow. There's a lot of stats out there, how the top 20 stocks

1:13.3

in the S&P 500 gained $2 trillion of market cap in the first quarter of this year, where the

1:19.9

bottom 480 gained, I think, about $200 billion or so. And you do that math and you say to yourself,

1:26.9

man, investors are just crowding

1:28.7

into the names that they know and love. Does that make you a bit nervous? I know you talk to a lot of

1:33.5

folks in the media. I know you talk a lot of operators at public and private companies, a lot of

1:38.2

VCs. Is this narrowing of the market performance? Is it something we should worry about? Especially

1:44.0

when I think a lot of us feel like we are not out of the market performance, is it something we should worry about, especially when I think

1:44.8

a lot of us feel like we are not out of the woods of whatever happened last year, despite the fact

1:49.7

that rates have come in, and we know that was one of the big impetus as the Fed switched gears to

1:56.0

battle inflation, why we sought the deflation in multiples. But come on, man, this seems a little dangerous

2:02.1

to me right here. Big tech's back, right, baby? This move has been concentrated in five names,

2:09.0

the mega caps that led the market up for the last decade. Yes, probably investors should be

2:14.6

nervous because more rides on them, but they're also higher because investors are nervous. It's this sort of cycle where you want the fortress balance sheets

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