Welcome to the OK Computer podcast takeover of the On the Tape feed.

OK Computer is the latest offering for risk reversal media.

We're going to cover all things tech, public and private markets, the intersection of Web 2 and Web 3.

We have this amazing group of co-hosts and contributors.

This is going to be in the On the Tape feed for a short period of time.

So please follow OK Computer in your podcast stores.

So you get new episodes every Wednesday on your phone.

Thanks.

Welcome back to OK Computer.

I am Dan Nathan.

I am joined with the illustrious Kara Swisher.

She needs no introduction to our listeners.

Kara, welcome to OK Computer. Welcome back to OK Computer.

Thank you. You still have this name of it. Okay, computer. Do you still like the name or no?

I never did, but go ahead. Fair enough. Listen, so Kara is obviously the host of Sway on the New York Times.

She's also an opinion writer there. And listen, I got into podcast. I think the

first podcast I ever listened to was Recode. You have been an innovator in digital media for years.

Obviously, I used the term illustrious. You've been at the forefront of tech reporting for over a couple

of decades, but you made some kind of big news because you sold Recode in 2015 to Vox. You've been doing a podcast

pivot for years there, but you're going back to Vox. Talk to us a little bit about that move.

Not back. I mean, it's interesting. I've never left, first of all. Like, I was doing Pivot,

and Pivot's a very big podcast. So it's actually bigger than any of them. The podcast universe, it's the one who makes the most money,

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