I mean, he expresses a kind of like good, humored, disgust, normal,

um, and does, like, affirm that he feels something is wrong, but he doesn't take, yeah.

Yeah, but I'm going to, he doesn't take like a moral stance exactly.

Right.

And I think, yeah, like unemployment, COVID, all these like social ills, all these structural problems have like contributed.

The ubiquity of pornography, obviously technology. It's all, they're all like contributed the ubiquity of pornography obviously technology

it's all they're all like converging but what I found lacking was like there's an issue of will

like it was to quote my father you know some people permit themselves oh oh, way too much. Yeah.

Well, yeah.

And there is like a moral issue where I think, I think people aren't even, no one even wants to think that jacking off is wrong.

No one will eat like that, but which it is.

You should try not to.

Uh huh. It's definitely like not good for you.

Trad Kathman was a sin.

No, I mean I...

And that's obviously...

But I think like...

And I'm not on a high horse here.

No, no, I agree with you totally.

But I actually think that it he...

This is...

It's almost like a return to form among liberal journalists because you're right he doesn't load it with any like, which he doesn't need to, but moral judgment.

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