The culture is the culture.

The culture is the culture.

It's 4 to 6A to B, competitive excellence, and the brotherhood.

The plan to win has never changed. So the culture here and the plan to win is always going to be here at a lot of state.

Welcome back to 4 to 6 with A&B, your high state podcast brought to you by The Athletic.

This is Bill Landish, joined by Ari Wasserman.

Ari, I want to kick this off with a question to you.

When you were watching the Penn State Auburn game on Saturday night, Great game. Really good game, I thought,

entertaining. What did you think of Ohio State's chances of beating Auburn in the Outback Bowl? I can't wait. It's going to be a pretty good environment. Yeah, I'm sure. But how do we get here,

man? I don't even know how do we get here, man?

I don't even know how we got here.

The funniest thing about Ohio states overall this function as a program right now is that

if they were even 90% of what we thought they were supposed to be, they would be odds

on favorites to win the national championship because everybody sucks.

Everybody sucks. That's for sure.

Yep.

Like the most, there's a lot of layers to this, right?

You know, you got the C.J. Stroud discussion.

You've got offense looks like they're pulling teeth when they're calling plays.

You know, maybe some defensive improvement you can make a case for.

But the underlying theme of this is, and I think we're on the same page here with this,

is that we believe that now it looks like Ohio State will lose again.

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