You are listening to the How to Talk to Girls Podcast with me, Tripp Kramer.

Hello and welcome back to another episode of the How to Talk to Girls Podcast.

I'm your host, Tripp Kramer from Tripcoaching.com. Today's episode, an OG pickup

artist. His name is Cliff. Cliff was a guy who was around way back in the day during the old pickup artist times.

I'm talking pre-Neil-Strouse mystery method, although he was around for that too, but he was around during the time

when Ross Jeffries, who I guess is known as the godfather of PUA, he was around during that time and even worked alongside Ross Jeffries. Why should you care?

Well, it is definitely interesting to talk to people, especially with someone like this person who's been around for such a long time in this industry and in the community of guys who are learning to attract women.

Now, if you guys already know, I don't consider myself a pickup artist or anything like that I think it's even cheesy to to label someone that or label myself as that. But of course I did learn from that arena, only because that was the only

stuff around at that time. And I'm not going to hate on it. There's a lot of great stuff that I learned, stuff that you are learning from me today, because

there are concepts about female nature and how women become attracted. There's also parts of it that I didn't like and also just wasn't helpful.

And so I picked the different things that I thought were going to be helpful for me,

and I worked through it, got results, and then formulated my own theories and thoughts and

experiences to then teach you here on how to talk to girls.

But we really can't deny that a lot of really good material has come from these guys who created these communities

and these forums and message boards who were out there trying to learn, okay, can you be a guy to attract women without being a very good looking guy or high

status?

And that's what we go into today.

Now I will say that we don't start off there.

We do chat about his story about how he got involved in the

PUA community and where he is today. He is an older gentleman and so you're going to hear

it sometimes he forgets some parts of stories, but give him a break.

He's an older gentleman who will not tell you his age and you'll hear why as you continue to listen to the episode. But most importantly

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