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Office uncertainty — inside and out

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Marketplace

News, Business

4.68.5K Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Fear of unemployment jumped 4.6 percentage points to 44% in March, according to a New York Fed survey. That’s the highest it’s been since April 2020. Expect the commercial real estate market to feel that same vibe. Companies concerned about a tariff-induced recession may make cuts or stick with Zoom instead of leasing new office space, experts told us. Also: Uncertainty is driving up junk bond yields, foreign investors may be pulling back on U.S. markets, and we talk to a small-business executive in “survival mode” over tariffs.


 

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0:00.0

So the good news is that at least we're not going to be talking about tariffs in every story today.

0:09.2

From American public media, this is Marketplace.

0:18.6

In Los Angeles, I'm Kyle Rizzdahl.

0:25.0

It is Monday, today the 14th of April.

0:28.2

Good as always, to have you along, everybody.

0:30.7

The way the global economy works, and I'm talking biggest of big pictures here,

0:36.8

is that countries buy and sell stuff to and from other countries.

0:40.6

Goods and services, yes, but also stocks and sovereign debt, that is government bonds,

0:46.0

U.S. Treasury bonds in our case, corporate bonds as well.

0:49.7

But there is a growing pile of evidence post the tariffs that the rest of the world is slightly not as

0:57.3

interested in sending its money here anymore. Marketplace's Subri Beneshaw explains why, if that gets

1:03.6

too much worse, we could have a problem on our hands. The U.S. might buy a lot of goods from the world,

1:09.6

but the world puts a staggering amount of money right back as investment.

1:13.9

You can measure its size by comparing it to the entire U.S. economy.

1:17.3

Total foreign holdings of U.S. assets, bonds, equities, everything else are like 60, 70 percent of U.S. GDP.

1:25.8

Brad Setser is a senior fellow with the Council on Foreign Relations.

1:28.9

Foreigners own 30% of treasuries, 30% of corporate debt, and 20% of the entire stock market,

1:35.1

according to calculations by Apollo Global Management. It's mostly private investors,

1:39.3

looking to make money, says Setser, and they are rethinking.

1:42.9

When all U.S. assets are going down, that does suggest that foreign investors are re-evaluating their U.S. exposure.

1:50.0

A Morgan Stanley analysis found foreign investors have been gradually reducing their exposure to the U.S. stock market since the beginning of the year.

1:57.2

But they seemed to be staying in bonds.

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