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Right, good afternoon to Jamie Carriger and our special guest, John Terry, for this edition of Offscript.

I'm delighted that we've got a pair of you together because you were both central figures in what was one of the most extraordinary rivalries between two clubs, which hadn't been there previously.

Probably hasn't happened since.

But in the early noughties,

or the mid-noughties, if you like, it seemed that Chelsea and Liverpool were playing each other

every single week, virtually in the semi-final as well for about a period of seven or eight

years. John, I'll start with you. Overall, just what was it like that whole period where you just seem to draw each other time after time after time.

And so many iconic and controversial moments in that particular fixture.

As an English team, you want to kind of avoid any English team, whether it's in the group stages or the knockout stages after that.

And we ended up getting

Liverpool in our group as well because I think UEFA didn't kind of recognise that if Liverpool

went and won it or a team when I won it, then the team that finished outside the top six would

then get a place in it. So Liverpool come in our group, if you remember rightly as well. So even a few

more games added up there. But the rivalry was really intense over the years.

Obviously, myself, Kara, Lamps and Stevie that were fighting for places in the England set up as well.

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