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PRETEND

Off Script: Pretend, Murder She Told & Sins and Survivors Spill the Tea (BONUS)

PRETEND

Javier Leiva

Society & Culture, True Crime, Technology

4.72.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Join hosts Javier from Pretend, Kristen Seavey from Murder She Told, and Shaun from Sins and Survivors for a special holiday crossover episode where three true crime podcasters let their guard down and talk shop. Featured Guests: Kristen Seavey, host of Murder She Told https://open.spotify.com/show/0n9q2IMjGQyrHMMByvnA2H?si=5975eb73d4714d07 Shaun, host of Sins and Survivors https://open.spotify.com/show/1W2swCx9LP38sFY06294pB?si=05c3269c69b94a73 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

True Story Media

0:08.0

The Freebirth Society made millions selling a simple message to pregnant women.

0:13.0

You don't need ultrasounds, doctors or midwives.

0:17.0

You can free birth.

0:19.0

But behind the scenes, terrible things were happening.

0:22.5

I feel ashamed about this, but I didn't think that the deaths were bad until a year after I left.

0:30.2

Subscribe to The Guardian Investigates Feed to get all the episodes of The Birthkeepers.

0:34.7

Listen now on Spotify.

0:39.9

Hey guys, it's me, how here? I'm the host of the pretend podcast. So if you don't recognize

0:44.6

my voice, that's because you're also listening to this on Murder She Told with Kristen or

0:50.2

sins and survivors with Sean. Thank you so much, guys.

0:54.6

This is my second year of doing this podcaster,

0:57.5

a true crime podcaster, cross collaboration during the holidays,

1:00.6

and I'm so looking forward to this conversation.

1:04.1

Same.

1:04.8

I really enjoyed it last year.

1:06.3

And because my show is so straightforward and serious and scripted,

1:10.6

I feel like my audience doesn't

1:12.2

really get to hear a lot of this kind of just conversation. So it's really fun. And I'm,

1:18.6

I'm new to podcasting and this is my first year doing this. So I'm glad that I get to show

1:23.4

some of the other sides of my personality that people don't get to see in every episode.

1:32.4

Yeah. So today we are simulcasting, right? So this episode is playing on all three feeds.

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