Off Record: What Remains (with Dr. Paul Uribe)
The Knife: A True Crime Podcast
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4.8 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 6 November 2025
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
The sudden passing of husband and father, Michael Cochran, in 2019, was initially a medical mystery. But when his widow, Natalie Cochran was convicted of fraud, a web of lies and a possible motive were revealed. By 2025 Natalie Cochran stood trial for his murder. Forensic Pathologist Dr. Paul Uribe walks us through the results of the autopsy he conducted on Michael Cochran’s remains and the role of his findings in Natalie Cochran’s shocking murder trial.
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| 0:47.6 | It was my opinion that there was nothing else that could have killed him. There is no other explanation that makes even a |
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| 1:13.3 | Welcome to The Knife. |
| 1:14.2 | I'm Pasha Eaton. |
| 1:15.1 | I'm Hannah Smith. |
| 1:23.0 | And today we have an interview for you with a forensic pathologist who worked on a murder trial. But before we get into the interview, we're going to give you some information about this case |
| 1:28.1 | because it's winding and intriguing, and we've both been following it for a couple of years now. |
| 1:35.2 | Yeah. |
| 1:36.0 | So we're going to start the story on March 18, 2021. |
| 1:40.2 | A woman named Natalie Cochran from Beckley, West Virginia, was sentenced to 135 months in federal prison, which is over 11 years. |
| 1:49.6 | And the reason that she sentenced to prison, she's charged with wire of fraud and money laundering. |
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