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These killers, serial killers by definition and by studying all of them, are typically

socially inept people.

There are exceptions to that, Ted Bundy, for example.

But generally, these are not your charmers.

Music Welcome. Welcome to the Knife. Welcome to the Knife Off Record. I'm Hannah Smith. I'm Pasha Eaton. And today we have a little bit of a hybrid episode. I'm going to start with

telling you a story. And then at the end, we will play an interview that relates to the story that I'm

going to talk about. This is my favorite kind of episode. Great. So buckle up.

Sound effects. Okay. So kind of just to start it off and introduce to people, we did an interview

with this retired FBI agent, Frank Figuzy, and he wrote this book called Long

Hall, which is about an FBI initiative called the Highway Serial Killings Initiative,

or HSK. And I loved the book. I thought it was really interesting. I'd never heard of this

initiative. It's an initiative that just investigates killings that happen along our nation's highways.

So that's like very specific. And, you know, if you're a true crime

lover, you're probably familiar with the trope of the truck driver being a killer, right?

Mm-hmm. Like I can just picture in different like movies or TV shows, a dimly lit truck stop. You've got like a lady smoking a

cigarette outside the gas station and something bad is about to happen. But it turns out it's not

just a trope. It's like actually a real thing. Obviously not every trucker, not even the

majority of truckers are killers. They're very important people.

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