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Hi, this is Jane and welcome to a Friday edition of Offair.

We are going to play you an interview that we broadcast earlier in the week on our Times radio program,

which of course is Monday to Thursday between 2 o'clock and 4.

And the voice you're going to hear is the historian and biographer Anne Seber,

who's written such a powerful book called The Women's Orchestra of Auschwitz,

a story of survival.

Anne has done such a lot of research.

She also has a personal link because her late father was one of the British soldiers who entered Bergen-Belsen a couple of days after the camp had been liberated.

And many of the prisoners who had been in Auschwitz were taken to Bergen-Belsen

as the Russians approached Auschwitz.

So it's a remarkable book. It's a very tough read, but there's so much powerful information.

I do urge you to listen to the interview, and then you may well feel like investing in a copy of the book.

Here's Anne Seber. And good afternoon to you. Thank you very much for inviting me. Good afternoon to you. It's a great pleasure. And your book, your latest book, I should say, is the Women's Orchestra of Auschwitz, A Story of Survival. Can we just start, first of all? I didn't appreciate actually how big this terrible place was. It was actually, I think, something like 15 square kilometres or miles across. How big was it?

Absolutely enormous. And unless you've been there, it's not just Auschwitz one, it's Auschwitz Beer Canal, and then there were all the sub-camps, which is why they needed

the prisoners to work and why they needed the orchestra to play the music so that the prisoners

could march in rows of five in time was absolutely vast, and I think the phrase, an industrial

killing field is really the only appropriate phrase for it.

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