Welcome to Friday's bonus edition of Offair, the podcast with Jane and Fee.

We always try and bring you something a little bit different on a Friday.

And it's also where we can bring you a guest relevant to all of the things that we've

been talking about, Jane. And this one could not be more relevant. Well, we are very, very keen,

aren't we, to keep the victims and survivors of the Epstein scandal at the forefront of all

our minds. Because I really appreciate that the political shenanigans, major repercussions here in the UK

around our government and our royal family, but that is only a part of the story.

It is, but it dominates the story at the moment. And what we've always wanted to do is to use this

as a platform where women can tell their stories. Because also, if you want

to affect change, and this is the point that so many victims and survivors make, one of the ways

to do that is to tell the women's stories. So it stops being something hidden away in darkness that

women feel that they can never talk openly about. And it teaches young men, let's be

honest about it, what's appropriate, what you should report, how not to be a bystander, to

truly appalling male behaviour, and how no man deserves to have scaffolding and support around his

choices if they're harming women.

So to exactly that, we have been talking to one of the survivors of Geoffrey Epstein,

Rina O, who is an artist, a mother, and someone who became involved with Epstein when she was

only 21 years old in a kind of patron student relationship where he offered to pay for her art

tuition and she initially took it of face value that he just wanted to help her out the story

progressed and she became a victim of abuse at his hands and her story is complicated

like so many young women who were in his orbit now obviously a heads up some of this content

might be difficult to listen to we start with a very simple question for rena just the basic

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