Welcome to this Friday bonus edition of Offair with Jane and Fee. Thank you very much for engaging with it. And my guest today is Julianne Miles, co-founder of the organisation Career Returners and author of Return Journey, subtitledled How to Get Back to Work and Thrive After a Career Break.

Hello. Hello, Jane.

Now, should we just be honest about this?

I think we should.

Yeah, we went to school together. Let's just get that out there.

Gillian was top of the class and I was near at the bottom, if not actually at the bottom.

Is that that?

You were definitely the star at English, Jane, I remember.

Thanks.

It felt like quite a grudging statement from you there, but yes, that's true.

Although in our final year, I didn't actually win the big

prize for English I know you've never recovered no I haven't entirely I just got a price for

English anyway look it was 1982 I really should be over that now age outed now yeah okay I feel much better

so just tell us a little bit first of all about the about the book, Return Journey. Who is this for?

It is for anybody who has taken a long career break for whatever reason,

be it for childcare, elder care, health reasons, relocation,

who is sitting there thinking, I'd really like to get back to work, and I'm just a bit stuck.

And you might be stuck at the early stages.

You might have applied for hundreds of jobs and think I'm getting nowhere.

Or actually, you might have started back in your first job and thought, this isn't the right thing.

So anybody along that journey. And also,

anybody helping them. It may be if you've got a returner who's joined you in your team at work,

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