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Hello and welcome to today's independent travel podcast. It's Wednesday the 2nd of October.

I'm at the Bankside Hotel in London. Well, worth popping in if you get the chance,

particularly if like me you are lucky enough to meet my guest today.

He is Wassim Daud, and he is the Director of Sustainability for Pondant.

And if you're not familiar with Pond well I think wasim will very kindly help with

that I would describe it as perhaps the most upmarket cruise company that there is based in

France and with a very French flavor ponon is a luxury a, a French one, created since more than 35 years now.

We have 14 vessels fleet at the top of the innovation. And for us, each time we design a new ship,

we try to find the best technology available

to reduce our carbon footprint, our environmental impact, and to have a better experience for our guests.

We are like 50% French gas and 50% international gas.

Now the market is in evolution.

We have more people from United Kingdom, from United States, from Australia, Chinese gas.

Of course, we still a French company, but open to international market.

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