October 16, 2022 — Shop Talk Featuring Curt Collins and Tim Swartz

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🗓️ 16 October 2022

⏱️ 118 minutes

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Summary

A special shop talk episode featuring a historical perspective of the UFO field with Gene and cohosts Curt Collins and Tim Swartz. Among the topics that will be discussed is the possibility that some UFOs — certainly not all sightings — might have resulted from flights (or crashes?) of test aircraft. And what about possible government mind control experiments involving some flying saucer contactees and abductees? Among other cases, Curt has taken a particular interest in the 1980 Cash-Landrum Texas UFO Encounter. After a career in retail management Curt began writing about UFOs, with a special interest in re-investigating that paradoxical case, from which the eyewitnesses evidently suffered from an assortment of injuries and illnesses. Curt has written entries for such books as "American Myths, Legends, and Tall Tales: An Encyclopedia of American Folklore," "UFOs: Reframing the Debate," and "What’s Wrong with this Picture," examining the “Roswell Slides” fiasco.

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0:00.0	You're in the Paracast.
0:18.0	You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.
0:27.8	And now, here's Gene Steinberg.
0:31.9	Well, most of the gang's all here today, we've got our co-host Tim Swartz, our special guest co-host, Kurt Collins.
0:39.3	I'm Gene Steinberg and you're not, so where do we go from here? We've got a lot to talk about
0:44.0	because we've done a lot of shows since Kurt was here. And I wanted to bring up a couple of things,
0:49.3	because over the years, there been suggestions that some of the UFO sightings were not caused by spaceships or some kind of conventional phenomena,
1:00.0	but might be test aircraft of some sort.
1:04.0	So, Kurt, I'd like to ask you about this.
1:07.0	I've got a book on hand here, a new book, and I know you probably haven't read it yet,
1:11.6	but I'm going to look it over before we decide whether to follow up.
1:15.6	It's from George Wingfield, who's been active in the Paracast forums and has been on the show,
1:21.6	and it's called the Rendlesham Forest UFO Mystery and Project Honey Badger.
1:28.7	And the basic theory is that this UFO was basically a conventional craft of some sort.
1:36.5	What's your take on that, Kurt?
1:38.1	I know a little bit about George's work.
1:40.1	I actually met him, well, met him via the show and I talked to him a bit, even published one of his
1:46.3	articles. He had ideas about the Cash Landrum case, and he suspected that was a military operation.
1:52.9	And it looks like he thinks that's behind a lot of UFO sightings, apparently.
1:57.2	It's certainly worth investigating. The military is flying more things quietly than anyone else, and they do have reason to keep it secret.
2:07.3	And I think it does represent a portion of UFO sightings, but I am highly doubtful that explains everything.
2:15.8	I would not disagree with you on that.
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