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On the Media

October 1, 2010

On the Media

WNYC Studios

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🗓️ 5 May 2011

⏱️ 50 minutes

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0:00.0

From WNYC in New York, this is On the Media. I'm Brooke Gladstone.

0:04.5

And I'm Bob Garfield. If the feds want to legally tap your phone, they, A, persuaded judge to give them a warrant,

0:11.8

B, present that warrant to the phone company, and C, the phone company activates the tap.

0:18.1

Easy peasy, a practice codified in a 1994 law known as Kalia.

0:23.8

But these days, tech-savvy criminals and terrorists and pretty much everybody else

0:28.3

use Skype and encrypted Blackberries and Google and Facebook.

0:33.9

What's old-school law enforcement to do?

0:37.2

This week, the New York Times revealed a White House plan to be proposed next year that would force all the 21st century communications networks to construct the same wiretap capabilities that now exist for the phone.

0:50.4

Charlie Savage, Washington correspondent for The Times, broke the story this week.

0:54.9

And he says that even if the proposal results in legislation, it could be an incredibly difficult law to implement.

1:02.6

If the service is located on servers that are overseas, it's not subject to a U.S. court order.

1:08.2

If they're using a form of encryption, that means that even the service

1:12.3

provider can't say what this data is. Or if it's a peer-to-peer software like Skype, there

1:20.1

is no central place to go and capture all that data.

1:24.4

If you build a backdoor into these various networks that the government has access to,

1:30.8

it seems to me that every hacker and his brother, not to mention foreign governments, would

1:35.1

try to enter the same back door, no?

1:38.4

If you create a security hole for a lawful purpose, it's inevitable, the critics say that it will be exploited for

1:46.4

unlawful purposes. Greece has a law that requires its phone systems to be wiretappable,

1:52.1

and in 2005 it was discovered that somebody, still unknown, had hacked into that capacity,

1:58.5

forwarding copies of cell phone calls of about 100 top officials to an

2:03.2

unknown phone where they could be listened to, including the prime minister's phone.

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