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Wild Card with Rachel Martin

Ocean Vuong doesn’t erase pain from beauty

Wild Card with Rachel Martin

NPR

Society & Culture

4.6991 Ratings

🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

The more Ocean Vuong writes, the more he sees his craft as less of a skill and more a condition. He feels compelled to pay attention to the small details around him and turn those details into a story. But he tells Rachel that he actually hopes a day comes when he can stop writing. Vuong’s latest book is “The Emperor of Gladness.”


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Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Is there anything you long for?

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I long for the day where I get to stop writing on my terms.

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Where you get to stop writing on your turn?

1:13.3

Where I get to look at my work and be satisfied and proud of it enough to stop it while I'm alive.

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I think that's very important to me.

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