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I'm Emerson Sykes, a staff attorney here at the ACLU and your host.

Calls for accountability in response to police violence have grown in recent years last month protests erupted when the justice department announced that it would not bring civil rights charges against the nypd officer who put eric garner in a fatal chokehold in 2014 mr garner's death was one among countless examples of deadly police violence

toward black and brown people. But despite the growing outcry, most officers implicated in

civilian deaths have escaped punishment. Here to talk about police accountability is Carl Taked

K, a senior staff attorney here at the ACLU, who litigates police practices and advocates for

bias-free and constitutional policing. Among other efforts, he's involved in a lawsuit to shed

light in the police shooting late last year of E.J. Bradford and Hoover, Alabama, while he was trying

to protect bystanders from Crossfire. Carl, thanks very much for taking the time to be with us.

Welcome to the podcast. Glad to be here. So Carl, I want to start off by talking about the case of

E.J. Bradford. Can you remind us of the basics of that case and where it stands now?

Yeah, so the killing of E.J. Bradford is another situation where there was a black man who was acting as the good guy with a gun,

but got shot by police. There was an active shooter situation going on in a mall in Hoover,

Alabama. And E.J. Bradford was there. He had a firearm that he was licensed to carry, and he began running away from the sound of the shooting, then realized that one of his friends was back in the direction of the shooting.

He turned around, he drew his gun, and he started running back.

At that point, a police officer from the Hoover Police Department who is responding to the active shooter situation saw E.J. Bradford running and within seconds and without warning shot him from behind and killed him.

Wow. So this is a really fascinating case because so often what we talk about is police shootings of unarmed black and brown people.

And this is a case where it kind of plays right into that narrative touted by the NRA and the president and many others.

That actually what we need is more guns and guns in the hands of good guys is actually going to help solve this problem.

But what this case really shows is that what they mean is good white guys with guns,

not just good guys with guns.

Can you talk about the complications of having an armed victim here?

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